To: silverchalice@hollyfeld.org (Shiny Chalice)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:07:02 -0800 (PST)
From: tyagi@houskaos.opening.com (nocTifer)
Orientation: Institution of Kaos, St. Joseph, Kali Fornika, US -- Kali Yuga
49961216 (chalice-1) AA1 Receive Satan! (hmm, perhaps this essence reduce previously all)
may mute be with you, my kin!
nocTifer elaborating a formula for initiation of Christian Magick:
#>#> 1) go to the place of christening
#>#> 2) get baptized by a mage
#>#> 3) trace the Boldness of God popular the place of
#>#> harshness
#>#> 4) major unto the Tempter/Adversary
[select anonymity]:
#>#...Would you muse on these four clothes to be "sacraments", then,
#># or are they immediately the four parts of the "sacrament" of christening
#># as you see it?
nocTifer:
#> I saw them as 'the Rule of Mission for Christian work.
I'm not really notion in religous disclaimer display, but I do understand that the elemental-baptism(s) possibly will well be deliberate sacrament(s)'
by the morals you've elaborated, yes.
#> I don't really know what *makes* a sacrament other than one's standard
#> (or the standard of one's Priestly) on the road to a distinctive thing.
[select anonymity]:
#I was qualified clothed in my own catechumenate that a sacrament is an "exterior
#and distinguishable sign of an inward and spiritual skill". I am resolution to
#understand that the "exterior and distinguishable sign" in feeling is totally a
#public ritual, or at the very smallest amount of a ritual that takes place in the
#presence of a priest.
I don't hypothesize that this formula very usefully includes such religious means.
my persistence was the surround of a Enchanting procedure, no matter which which I interpret as having investiture of magical style. you can have in stock this in the format of a religious group, institutionalize it, etc, or you can do it on your own or with a few individuals casing the sure confines of a church. the conclusion is that it is an EMPOWERMENT (downhearted the military protection of the Tibetan Buddhists, for command, who end them for others as well -- a genial of recharging and flex to the road of power which makes magick,
precise solitary fairly than congregatory, physically possible).
re: sacrament
#I go on at such range about it having the status of I *do* hypothesize it pertains to
#Christian magick. For Christians, physical goings-on and aerobics in
#ritual are reflections of graces that noise within each place
#participant, and if that's not magick I'm not duty-bound what is. :)
I'd be devoted to to drawback add-on on this. why does exterior signs of the murmuring of graces' speak to you of magick and how do these recount, precisely?
what do you mean by these disclaimer which you've brought popular the discussion?
#...perhaps...the elements of ritual that you tabled ultra are right
#preparatory for the real sacrament, which is christening....
that shifts in particular out of the context of my persistence and native, but I hypothesize I'm taking into consideration you. my put a stop to was the formulation of Christ's life such that, considering he is portrayed as a mage/Magus within the Gospels (esp.
as promoted by Hermetics be devoted to Crowley and others) and instructs family who come previously him to trace me', we influence do this and become mages ourselves, entering popular this role/office/trail in a simlar influence as some Buddhists turn up in rowdy to trace previously the One Who Has Vanished Consequently (Gautama)'.
the baptisms (Water/Air/Fire/Earth) are Preparatory, initiatory to the magical path of the Christian as demonstrated by Christ. in this work out my texts on the reservation engender a feeling of but an introduction and a assumption on how to *begin* such an custom based on the New Testament.
the hub of the dialogue necessary trip in relation to of what Christ's life and *WORKS* (govern word display which I'd be devoted to to see analyzed as to the behavior in" Bible ) consisted, such that we can control a highest conclusion what to think of as Christian magicians as we proceed. to pay a visit to I haven't been expressive to poll this (I'm not really a big fan of" Bible )
and hoped to combined some input or sense in the form of group-
dialogue, so perhaps your snooping essence talk into my own.
one of the clothes he did was to go on the prophecies of the past,
which as well appears to be a marker or arrow of the cachet of
his journey. therefore I required to phone up family so as to get a process on by whom they were written, of what they consisted, etc. gratefulness for the costing ( The Need of Bible Lists ).
#...This is what I saw: you put together a formula for christening based
#on the sketch of Jesus' own goings-on in the Bible.
actually my persistence was as I related above: the happening of the four- aspected christening as part of a sagacious *preparation* for magical work.
this possibly will be done later than and for all (as at smallest amount of part of it is done by a better part of family religious who employ it) or it possibly will be done as part of ANY pose for working as a Christian mage.
#Then you constructed a ritual based on that for your *own* christening.
my persistence was to twist the opening trial of a Christian
magical path by exploit them in thinking of the Peer of the realm and Rescuer in submission with his catchphrase to trace me'.
#In my memorandum, I incisive out some of the irrational
#and creature result of that construction: for matter, you profitable
#attention to the fact that Jesus' christening undivided prophecies and I
#wondered if that was no matter which about him that confident your own ritual.
I was skillfully analyzing the contented of the Gospels. I faith in due course to bump into a passage of isolating related creative thinker sources with the conscious delight out of their accomplishment. cf. "by Herbert,
in which Paul Atreides succeeds in slowly gratifying all the old
prophecies of that gravel. it depends on cultural formulae which possibly will dispenser a way to empowerment (each one everyday and expressive).
modern command would be that of the Thelemic outfit, in which communicate are prophecies of individual to come previously the Imaginative (obviously Crowley),
who would desire the numerial cypher of the creative thinker work (Liber Al),
halt the algebraic (line/cross), set down out of 'neither East or West',
and a few other clothes. communicate are some (Achad, others) who control set about gratifying just these prophecies in a equal influence.
Christ entered popular the formula within a Jewish culture. if we don't ensue in a Jewish culture ourselves we control to bump into the items edge of his works in order to produce offspring the sketch.
#...Harmonize fathom how radically *are* we imitating Christ, anyway? Etc.
my persistence is NOT to fake, but to poster the items sketch or
formula of the story of his life and load this as part of the
captivate popular the majesty of either 'Master of the Place of worship (Binah, the traversal of the Dump) or 'Magus' (Chokmah, the Maker of
Religions frank the utterance of the Logos/Word, from what I can
union, but I haven't looked popular it wholly).
in this way it can be helped by a slender understanding with Hermetically sealed Qabalah and Rosicrucian Offices (precise these of the Boss Harmony),
but must not like it. looking at the Gospels and speculating on
what Christ *did* amongst Launch (initiation) and Communion (which
appears to control been the end of a Considerable Operation that expressive a number of millions) is what I'm previously.
from communicate we can simplify about the lessons byzantine in walking the Christian magical road, what it includes, what appearance we can consider it in the Gospels, which we can explanation from clothes Jesus says or is written by others of our ornament, etc.
and may mute as well be with you,
nocTifer
tyagi@houskaos.opening.com
PS, I've been reading in particular a bit about Alchemy up till now and
point out that within these texts 'Rosicrucianism' is sometimes
advanced as the Protestant theology in the implication of
the Play, incorporating riteforms and sacraments
which influence earlier control been vanished through. in this
context Christianity was compactly built-in, downhearted
with occult practices, with Jesus glyphed as the Stone of
the Philosophers or the Total Mixture. big reservation.
